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Crowbarology's avatar

The point about % of faith healings at Lourdes... Wow. I can't believe I didn't think of that and thanks for pointing it out. The math with this stuff always is weirder than it looks on the surface isn't it?

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> I don’t like the supernatural/natural dichotomy because I have no idea how a supernatural cause (or effect) differs from a natural one.

The more I've thought about it, the more I think you would not be able to pull apart the supernatural/natural dichotomy at all. More on this below

> if I were to tell you that a high school football team scrimmaged the University of Alabama and won

This, however, would actually be a miracle lol.

> Let’s assume that the 100,000 number is accurate going back a century. That means that 10,000,000 people visited Lourdes looking for healing, and only 7,000 were healed. That’s 7 in 10,000 people were healed, or .07% healing rate.

So, imagine the healing rate at Lourdes had been 96% or even 100%; as long as people weren't totally prejudiced, it would presumably get studied. If we studied it over the century, we would certainly find some workable theory for how people were being healed at Lourdes because that's just how the world works. In fact, I think if this weren't the case, then miracles would be creation ex nihilo in some sense that the cause would be unidentifiable at all. This just strikes me as absurd, though, so the better thing to do is to assume that there would be an explicable description of what was going on at Lourdes. However, if that were the case, would we still call it a miracle, or would we just have a working hypothesis and then call it a natural event? I don't know what you think of that, or where the conversation goes from there.

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